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VickanS
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Going To Church
There seems to be a fascination with attending church every Sunday. Some folks attend on Sundays, Wednesdays, and other days where special events may be going on.

My question is: Do you think most people attend church because they think its the right thing to do? Or do you feel that most people are genuinely getting something out of it?
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I believe that the majority of people are attending for spiritual enlightenment. However there are many that go simply because going to Church makes you look like a good person. You can have people robbing folks from Mon-Sat but if they show up to Church on Sunday and raise their hands up in prayer they sometimes forget the damage they've done.

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I think most women attend out of habit and for comfort. I think most men attend either to find a woman or because he has reached a point in his life where he is understands that he is lost, has no direction and is seeking wisdom. That is, if the pastor focusing on these topics. And it's really too bad that most don't. So I understand, why most brotha's don't find interest in going to church on a regular basis. They don't seem to find a pastor that will preach about topics that the everyday man can relate to. How many pastors can we name that talk to their congregation about, the lack of a father, being forced into a gang, men's health issues, relationships with our mothers, communication skills, praying out loud, how to lead the family, roles of a husband, roles of a wife, low self esteem, doing the right things in life, taking back the Kingdom that Adam lost when he let Eve seduce him with the apple, getting a better education or getting a better job? Let's put some names out here of the pastors that are.


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I stopped going to church years ago. Got tired of all the fakes and the "show". I feel like Jack said... preachers just be hollerin and trying to get they rhythm going and dont even try to relay the right message.
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Hey Willie6 and Jack,
According to the Bible, the Kingdom of God is within you. Church is a place where we learn to grow as christians. Religion and tradition is nothing but dead men's bones. Jesus comdemed religion and tradition making as the word of God of none effect. That is, the traditions of men, make God's Word powerless in your life against sin and growining in the things of God. I'm thankful for a pastor who teaches the word with authority and demenstrated power. If a preacher whoops, he'd first better get the message across first. Some of the points you both make are true, but unless you have true real relationship with Jesus Christ intimitely, you'll have a theological view that it's just Church. It's not about us, it's about advancing the Kingdom of God through the Word, fellowship at church and spreading the Good News of the Gospel to a Unsaved world. By the way Jack, The Bible never stated what type of fruit Eve Gave to Adam. Just remember, I'm always teaching as I share. My pastor talks about everything from sin, paying your child support, being a ghetto preacher, having the nigger mentality and by the way. He left a six figure job as an engineer to Preach the Gospel as the call of God. Over the years he has grown. Get this, he's only in his 30s. Grew up a a brick child, has preached all around the world. He's for men and them taking leadership, but most men can't handle another man instructing them in the things of God to better their lives.
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Hello all,
I just created a blog. when you have time tell me what you think? I posted a news article. Read and leave your comments. Like we all need another place to chat. Here's the blog site: http://wwwpositivejourney.blogspot.com/
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Well, I never professed to be perfect and don't mind be corrected. Brotha's should help one another when we slip, isn't that how we're going to grow as a nation? My only point is that, Adam was put on earth to lead and not to be lead. This is where too many men make their mistakes, not having direction to make decisions and listening to the wrong resources for answers on all types of areas in their lives.
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I personally, haven't been to church in a good while either. My personal take on things is like this; I know that everytime something good happens in my life it is a blessing from God. But when something goes wrong, then I know that God is teaching me a lesson for something that I did/didn't do. In todays church, you might meet a person that is a known drug dealer, gang banger, theif, or what have you. The preacher is not off limits to falling off of the path of God either, you mostly hear about them taking the congregations money for his own use. Or having affairs with the women that attends his church. And how about the people that you know hang out in the clubs the night before, but you see them the next day they have on their halo in church.
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I attend church for me, to continue my relationship with GOD. I can do it without going to church, but its like school you can only learn so much without a teacher.
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I attend Church with my lady when I have Sunday's free. I feel it's important but I also feel that being in the "right" Church is most important.

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Ok...here is a good question...how come people that goes to church faithfully, can be the biggest hypocrites. I mean they can talk down on a person just because they do not attend church, or read the bible daily. Now I know I can not quote the bible, but I believe that there is passage in there that reads to the effect of "Judge not of others if ye do not want to be judged themselves."
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ecjr23, lol(smile) well thats about the gist of it but what I here from you is you're in the wrong church. If all you experienced was hypocrites than you leaving the church wasn't thewrong move. HOWEVER, we are all to judged according to God himself. What I always say to those people who's excuse for leaving church is "those hypocrites" is just this, At the day of judgement blamming it on your brotha or sister just isn't ganna work. If you disagree with something take inititive to change it or change your attitute toward it. In this case I encourage you to take the initive and be that one christian who's righteous example dismisses the hypocrites influence.
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ecjr23 wrote:
Ok...here is a good question...how come people that goes to church faithfully, can be the biggest hypocrites. I mean they can talk down on a person just because they do not attend church, or read the bible daily. Now I know I can not quote the bible, but I believe that there is passage in there that reads to the effect of "Judge not of others if ye do not want to be judged themselves."


While I agree there are a lot of hypocrites in church, but the church is not made up of perfect people.

To answer the original question; I honestly believe that no matter what the reason is people end up in church, God planned on them being there and the Word that is spoken is one that that individual needed to hear. I think we get so caught up in sista so-and-so and brotha I-know-about-last-night that we can sometimes miss what God had/has for us.
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As "trek" said earlier, church is only what you make it. You do not go to church to please anyone. You go to church to get the word of GOD, not your pastor's word but, GOD's word. The pastor is only the messenger. We are born into in a world of sin and there is no way to escape it; only through our LORD and Savior. EVERYONE sins, but not everyone know how to fall down on thier knees to ask for forgiveness, and that's what GOD expects from us.

You can't judge a church just because of what you THINK you see. You don't know why people go to church and you really should not care. All you should be concerned about is YOU. Your relationship with GOD, and What YOUR expectations are. That's it, because in the end you have to be accountable for YOU. Not that pasor you judge, not the shouters that you have judge, but YOU. If you think that the pastor is fake, write down the scriptures that he read from, go home and study it for yourself and go from there. Just like a teacher in a classroom, she teaches the math, but you may not understand until YOU read/study it for YOURSELF

Granted there are people who go for the look, but most people who go to church go because they have been in a very hurtful relationship, job lost, or other life changing experiences that's not pleasing to them. That's what GOD expects. He want us to come to HIM. Personally Im one of those. I went because, I was in a realtionship that ended and I cried to the LORD one day to help me, and right now I know it was him. We fall short alot of times, but you have to know who to go to. You dont change over night. Im not saying Im perfect, but you know what I know where my help cometh from. My strenght and my everything.
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I find that alot of people that once used to attend church faithfully stop going because of a bad experience or witnessing hypocricy by leaders of the church. It really just depends, alot of people go to church because thay are genuinely striving to strengthen their relationship with God. Unfortunately, there are many others that just go through the motions for the purpose of APPEARING to be ultra spiritual. I've seen folks fake the spirit and start rolling down isle and tap dancing at the alter. Not to mention the pastor whos sermon turns into a song half way through and u can no longer understand whats being said. Its sad and very distracting. I simply suggest that u do what works for you. Church, bible study, meditation at home, etc. Dont fake it if you dont feel it, it'll come to you.
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All of you are just as wrong as wrong can get. First of all, going to church to get the message, get the word or get anything is one of the reasons why there is a problem. People are suppose to go to church to worship, that is GIVING God the glory and praise or better known as doxology. People suppose to go to church to give instead of getting. People going to church to GET something is black mailing God. Many people think by going to church God will bless them with something. Friends, boyfriend, girlfriend, money, cars, material possession. Look at Job, though He slay me, yet will I worship Him. Must God give us something in order for us to worship Him.

Next, people go to church for everything under the sun. Go to church to get something, see who's there and not there, see what somebody is wearing, see who's dating who, let everyone see my new car, my new suit or dress and some people go to church because, they are infatuated with the pastor and the very last thing most people go to church for is to worship. I don't give a flying hoot how good your pastor is, he's in it for the money. If he wasn't in for the money, why is he getting paid. Why don't he take his salary everyy Sunday and give it to the poor. Yeah, I know why. Your pastor will say you're not suppose to muzzle the ox. The Apostle Paul preached to eat and when he could not earn enough money preaching, Paul made tents. So if you think your pastor walks on water, I've got news for you. That brother want to eat, sleep, wear nice clothes, drive fine cars just like everybody else. I'll wager anyone here that their pastor wears the finest clothes, drives the best car and live better than anyone else in the church. That's why we as blacks don't know squat. Go to a black church and you can pick the pastor out of a thousand members standing out in the yard. Go to a white church and we can't pick the pastor out of ten people. Next, stop that non-sense talking about brothers don't want to go to church. Most brothers that goes to church, the sisters in the church view him as a weakling. You can hear them mumbling about, that brother ain't a man because, he needs a crutch. You can hear the sisters whispering, wonder what's wrong with him? You people don't know squat about why black men don't go to church. A black man wants to see a black man in the pulpit. Women don't have their gaydar working. Yeah, your pastor can be on the down low and you can't see it but, a brother walks in and pick it up quick. Next, a black man want to see a black man in the pulpit, a man in the pulpit that can put on over-alls, get grease on his hands and clothes. Look around and what you will see is more women in the church than women and something is wrong when there is 500 women and only 80 men. Why? For the first reason, most shepards guide their flocks with a ROD and it's called a shepards ROD when you see alot more women than men in the church. Most preachers don't want alot of men in the church either because, alot of brothers are going to call the pastor up on the carpet. Alot of men in the church is a threat to alot of preachers. So some of you need to back up before talking about brothers don't want to go to church. The first time the preacher meets a man, the preacher will swell up and puff up to see if the brother will become docile, passive and timid. If the brother isn't docile, passive and timid, he ain't going to stick around there too long. If the brother is gay, he's found a home. Next time you look at your pastor, ask yourself this question. What happened to all the PIMPS. You don't see pimps anymore, why? They are in the pulpits and they are pimping the word, pimping the members and pimping the church. Hold up a minute. Everytime tha pastor creates a program, he's getting a percentage of that program. The more programs, the more money he's going to rake in. Everytime that church door open, he's getting paid. Then look, every organization have an annual program and the highlight of every annual program is to give the pastor a donation. Pastor's anniversary, donation. Pastor's birthday, donation. Pastor's wedding anniversary, donation. Pastors vacation, donation. Pastor returns from vacation, donation. Pastor fart, donation. Everytime that plate is passed around, pastor get's a percentage. Hold up. Somebody said people with low self-esteem should be taught about high self-esteem. What the in Sam Hill are you people smoking in these churches. What is the opposite of self-esteem? HUMILITY. Pride, ego, self-esteem are all synonyms meaning how one view self. That's why folks have problems in these churches. Read the first couple of chapters in Revelation and you will discover the synogue of satan. Yeah, satan has taken over most of the churches. Any preacher telling people about having self-esteem needs to be drummed out of the pulpit. Not one person here knows the origin of self-esteem. I can tell you that self-esteem is a sociological term and a psychological term. If self-esteem was so good, why is society so bad. The number one profession committing suicide is psychologist. If self-esteem ain't working for society and it ain't working for the psychologist, jumping Jehosaphat why do I want it. Do any of you people remember when we used to share one anothers burdens in the community. Do any of you people remember when you had some flour, I had some flour. Do any of you people remember when every adult was your parents. Well, we've got so much self-esteem that, we're all become an island unto ourselves.

Every building with the word church sitting out front, ain't a church either.

Here is how one can tell whether a church is a church. There are churches on every corner but, crime, drugs, alcoholism, poor, sin and vice inhabit the streets during the week, 6 days a week it's the same old. Isn't there a scripture that said, one shall put a thousand to flight and two shall put ten thousand to flight. Well if your church and pastor is all that and you have 200 members 200 x 10,000 = 200,000 people in your city should be running. Then if your city have 10 churches x 200,000 = 2,000,000 people in your city should be running. There isn't suppose to be any vice going on. Well, every trip must begin with the first step. If we as indivduals aren't rooted and grounded, all talk and not action, all prayer and no works then you, your church and your pastor ain't nothing.


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